Tuesday, November 24, 2009

On speech

From Miquelrius journal - Oct 25, 2006

How long before I reach a state where every word I utter, can be construed as not being harmful to anyone. For instance: If I am speaking about something I desire or something desirable that I have acquired, people who don't have it may be hurt. If I tell someone what ought to be done - if they are incapable of doing it, they may be hurt. If they are not amicably related, they might even want to hurt me... even a thought of doing so should not be provoked in their minds.

I must learn, neither to praise anyone, nor blame anyone, or compare anyone or anything using speech, for I have no control over the impressions and reactions it will form and cause in the consciousness of the listeners.

A key virtue to have with respect to speech is the ability to only speak when necessary, for right action to occur in a manner such that it causes alignment among all listeners. This stretches the limit of not only expertise with language, but one's control over personal and collective consciousness.

5 comments:

The Shaolin said...

Amazingly well put! This is mark of a true 'yogi', or what can be called in Jainism as ultimate purity, purity not only in action but in thoughts too. Because I believe there is only hair's width of difference in thoughts and actions (esp. when thoughts are unconstructive!).

I Have Something To Say - Kahi Bolayache Aahe said...

Happy birthday! :)

but i feel its more of control-craze, one can not make everyone happy, so why not just live FREE of any thoughts. a mind without thoughts would be the best state to acquire..wouldnt it be?

after all everyone is just a dot in one big dot, connected together but still doesnt understand that they are part of one single entity, thats what the purpose is, i feel so.

more the thoughts, more the complexity and then the content is gone, can we attain a stage where there are no thoughts, just relaxed and tranquil mind.

i dont really like thoughts now :)

mojibake (previously kilocoder) said...

re: kaahi bolaayche aahe

good good! :)

"best", "control", "craze" are words and concepts. So is "purpose", and so is the "desire" to seek it.

The dot and the dots, are both concepts as well - constructs of the mind.

At what point do you start calling it control-craze? Can you make your "own" body (is your own body limited to your physical body, your mental body, your family, your company if you are a CEO, your class if you are a teacher...) "listen" to what "you" "say" ?

Do you think that saints were control-crazy ;-)
Was Sant Dnyaneshwar control-crazy when he wrote the pasaaydaan?

The kind of ability that I was thinking about perhaps comes after one goes through, mala kaahi bolaaychay->mala kaa bolaaychay->mala kaahi naahi bolaaycha->bolNa mhaNje kaay->mi koN->kaa, kaay aNi koN mhaNje kaay? ->silence->end of thought->because existence in "this" world depends upon the perception of polarity, speech must happen. You peel away too many layers of the onion trying to understand the essence of the onion, but the layers ARE/IS the onion->so speech happens again, because existence is polarity, and it continues anyway, but *then* the speech does not happen as a result of thought.

This post was written in a time-space frame when mala kaahi "bolaaycha hota", and the time-space-framework around me was showing me intense polarisation of values based on what "I" did or said and I was trying to understand the "eta", the efficiency of thought and speech.

Based on the blog dates in your blog, it seems that kaahi bolaaycha aahe reached a state of "kahi bolaaychi garaj naahiye". :)

Here are some more words that successively followed this post -

http://aalhadsaraf.blogspot.com/2008/11/whos-beggar.html
http://aalhadsaraf.blogspot.com/2008/02/near-end-of-my-reading-habit.html
http://aalhadsaraf.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-i-lost-my-belief-in-words-and-how-i.html
http://kanjinotes.blogspot.com/2009/01/words-leaves-of-thought.html

Words and thoughts are polarities by their very nature, and *these* words attracted *your* words.

Your dislike of thoughts might also perhaps go!

Enjoy!
love,
Aal

I Have Something To Say - Kahi Bolayache Aahe said...

:) i agree and i disagree as well.

if Dnyaneshwar were so happy with thoughts and words (which are indeed great(pasayadan)..but if he was so happy why would he insisted to go for a live samadhi at the age of 21..whereas he could have done some more work with thoughts and words....thats my point..he and all other saints..had tested the samadhi state where mind is thought less..there is no pain..no joy..its like nothing....take any example and you will find this..be it Dnyaneshwar or vivekanand..everyone wanted to go for samadhi as early as possible.

thought is like a reaction its a reflection of things happening around us, we can not separate these two, we might do some pro-active thinking but 95% of thoughts are reflections of our surroundings and surroundings might create good or bad reflections as we cannot control it or its worthless to even try to control the surroundings...

but this is a bit ideal..we cant be human if we can do this..

so wat you are syaing makes sense but that involves lot of efforts, and it may make life complex and i geel simplicity makes things much more happy..

kahi bolayacha hota...pan mala sanwad aawdato..ektach bolaycha konashi :)..mhanun gapp hoto :)

baki..ill surely read other posts of urs..i like that..very much.. :)

mojibake (previously kilocoder) said...

re: kaahi bolaayche aahe

So what is the point here?
:-)

(with respect to agreement/disagreement) ?


quote:
:) i agree and i disagree as well.

if Dnyaneshwar were so happy with thoughts and words (which are indeed great(pasayadan)..but if he was so happy why would he insisted to go for a live samadhi at the age of 21..whereas he could have done some more work with thoughts and words....thats my point..he and all other saints..had tested the samadhi state where mind is thought less..there is no pain..no joy..its like nothing....take any example and you will find this..be it Dnyaneshwar or vivekanand..everyone wanted to go for samadhi as early as possible.


With respect to the statement ...

quote:
whereas he could have done some more work with thoughts and words.... thats my point..


The point does not come through clearly enough. If you imply that he "should" have done some more work (with thoughts and words)

... here again is the Ramana Maharishi parable - Once when Ramana Maharshi was asked by a person - 'Why do you live here in the Arunachala mountains - when you could be down in the villages DOING SOMETHING!' - and he replied something to the effect of 'pray tell me, what in HEAVENS name makes you think that direct action is the most effective method of creating change, and what makes you think it is necessary!!!